Even Frenchman Have It Hard... (Video)

Alot of us think that guys with accents have it easier with approaching women. Not totally true. (Although my Australian accent is a bonus - suckas!) I found a video with this Frenchman approaching women in Manhattan, he's obviously a beginner with David Deangelo's materials. (The 3 minute email technique gives that away.) But you have to admire him for getting out there and approaching! If you're smoother than him, you'd probably get better reactions, the sound is awesome for hidden camera. :)

Quick, Easy Ways To Meet Women Online

Have you tried online dating yet?

The first time I tried it, I felt like I was learning to ride a bike all over again... it was
awkward.

Well, I'm glad I stuck with it, because it turned out that the Internet was one of the most incredible miracles ever created for meeting women.

I've personally met and dated some of the most amazing women... all online. I'm talking about models, dancers... super intelligent women that I would have NEVER met if it were not for the Internet.

What's the point?

The point is if YOU are not using the Internet to meet women on a CONSISTENT basis, then it's time you learned how.

Of course, I don't think you should shut yourself up at home and never go out into the real world again...

It's important that you continue to develop your social skills and grow your ability to create ATTRACTION with women...

But, if you'd like to get three or four more dates a month with women that are MUCH better matches for you, then I'd like to share some of the secrets I've learned about Internet dating with you.

By the way, did you know that if you understand how the dating web sites work... and you know the patterns of how women check their profiles and responses, that you can get double, triple, or even MORE responses?

Yep.

Just by knowing "how the system works", you can literally increase your success by MULTIPLE times.

Here's one for you...

Did you know that many of the big online dating sites will take your profile and put it at the "top of the list" when women do searches... every time you change or UPDATE your profile?

Ever notice that when you first put up a profile, you seem to get more response from women?

Well, that's why.

So guess what?

Now that you know this, you can go and update your profile regularly... with new pictures and other changes... and STAY at the top of the list.

What could that one secret be worth to you? Well, if you're spending as much as the average guy who stays subscribed to an online site for many months, then this one idea alone could be worth hundreds of dollars to you.

Speaking of saving time and money, and getting HUNDREDS of ideas like this one that will DRAMATICALLY improve your success with online dating...

I'd like you to go and watch the video preview clips of my "Meeting Women Online" program.

And I'd like you to read about it and what's inside.

Most important of all, I want to send it to you to TRY out.

In fact, no kidding around here... I'm so convinced that you will use what you learn in this program to get IMMEDIATE results, that I'll send one to you at MY RISK. I'm even going to pay for the shipping to send it to you.

Listen as my guests teach you LIVE how to set up systems that will meet women FOR YOU 24/7... even when you're not near a computer.

Listen as I show you how to create a "machine" that converts profiles and contacts into email addresses...

...email addresses into phone numbers...

...and phone numbers into dates.

I want you to go through the entire program, and try a few of the ideas you're going to learn.

If this program doesn't prove to be worth TEN TIMES the investment, just send it back... no hassles, and no questions.

I wouldn't "push" you to check this program out like this if I wasn't convinced beyond the shadow of any doubt that it's THE WAY to success with online dating.

Those video clips, plus all the details... are all here:

Meeting Women Online

I'll talk to you again soon.

DD.

Looking For A Seduction Workshop?

As most of you know, there is alot of controversy over the reputation of some pickup workshops. It makes me not so eager to drop $1000 for a workshop, before getting some second opinions!

Over on the Mystery Method forums, there is an awesome post by a student that attended the Art of Attraction workshop. I think it's a kick ass review.



I'll give the highlights, and try to compare/contrast with Mystery Method where appropriate.

Like a lot of workshops out there, this one lasts three days, includes field work with personal instruction, and costs quite a bit. I chose it because the dates worked well for me, I had a local friend I could stay with who had taken the workshop and recommended it, and because the daytime portions of the course feature a lot of exercises rather than just lecture/discussion. I should add that the Art of Attraction workshop is primarily about the first three minutes.

Comfort and seduction are brought up, but they are not what this workshop is about. I felt that three days to understand the first three minutes was barely sufficient. Also, let me spell out the underlying philosophy here starting with a simple example of what they're trying to do with participants. Smile, right now, and hold that smile for 30 seconds. The majority of people feel happier smiling given that the physical motion is associated with fun, happy feelings. Now, here, the idea is that if you learn to behave like a cool, attractive guy, standing and touching and smiling like cool, attractive guys, you will start feeling like one and this will become more and more natural until the practice becomes the reality.

I believe it, too. We had one instructor who made his first approach in late October, and he really knew his stuff. He easily picked up a HB out of a three set and number closed while we were waiting to get into a restaurant one night, and everything he said was dead on. He also gave advice to another participant, who noticed he was getting IOIs from a hot asian girl seated at a table with her seven friends, that let him pull her right out and isolate her outside for 15-20 minutes.

Back to the workshop. Friday and Saturday we started at noon and ran until 1AM or later, and there was another 6-8 hours of stuff on Sunday. There were a dozen students, and about four instructors for the daytime. The experience level of the students varied from essentially totally AFC, to several who had done other workshops and had some skills. Most of the day we did exercises in groups of four, each with its own instructor. I'm going to run down through some of the exercises we did here.

The simpler exercises happened on Friday, with the more advanced ones Saturday and Sunday. A lot of the later exercises extended or combined earlier ones.Using your hands: we practiced using our hands to hold someone's attention while looking at another member of the set.

Standing: we practiced standing the way cool, confident guys stand.Walking/face: we practiced three different looks for entering a venue that would make good first impressions (sexy cool, smirking, most fun guy in the room).

Entering a set: we practiced opening angles, how to get the attention of a set without leaning in, and how to open the set to you and not get into their space in a bad way.Storytelling: We practiced sharpening and telling stories, sometimes in association with an opener. We learned what elements make up a good story, and how to tell them.

Banter: this is something between cocky/funny lines and negs. An example is "You're bad girls, aren't you? I'm going to have to watch out for you." It's mostly about establishing frame and being the guy in charge, and being fun about it.

Kino: how to touch women (gently), when to touch women (early and often), etc. Also everyone in set really. How to use kino to test for attraction directly.Isolation: a few easy body moves to manage an effective isolation that doesn't set off alarm bells.Fashion: personalized advice about clothes, shoes, grooming for our own looks and environments we prefer to operate within. Opening physically close sets: basically with kino. Effective.

Body language: we entered practice sets and were video taped, so an instructor could point out things we were doing good and bad and we could see them.Building a routine stack: advice for combining openers, stories, and banter, with the advice to practice, practice, practice with the same ones until they were ours, then add more.

Opening difficult sets: seated sets, or sets where the target is surrounded by people you need to deal with to get close to the target.Feedback from real girls: On Sunday, two girls hired out of the newspaper were brought in for us to open. After we ran a few minutes with them, they gave us feedback about what they liked and didn't like. I thought it was easier than with the guys in my group I'd been practicing with, at least at that point. They weren't nearly as critical as we were to each other, or our instructors were.Okay, let me discuss the field work a bit.

Extra part-time instructors were brought in for the field, and each instructor had two students. I thought this was perfect, since we basically learned winging in the field with the same guys we'd been working with. They also tried to match skill levels, and we had different instructors on the two nights. The first night was unusual, since it was St. Patrick's Day, and everyting was a madhouse and crowded. They advocate easy, quick warm-up sets to start with to get comfortable.

Outside the door I opened a girl wearing a green shirt with "Are you Irish?" She immediately smiled and started in on how she was, etc., and then smiling I asked if I could kiss her, and then her friend when she declined. A fine, fun start. I probably opened about 30 sets that night, winged a handful of others, with some nice results and also a few blow outs. I opened seated sets, walking sets, mixed sets. Hell, in one bar my instructor pointed out a mixed two set and told me the guy wasn't doing well with the girl and sent me in. I just went up, ignored him as I opened her, and he wandered off after a minute.

I got blown out several times - once really badly and I laugh about it now. I had opened a seated three set, talked to them a few minutes, and was advised to try a certain special Irish drink (a carbomb). I decided to go get one, and reenter the set. After I reentered (and had to pull up a second chair as a new guy was in the one I had pulled up and then left open!), I asked one of the girls if she was having fun and she replied that she had been...until I showed up. Ouch. I told them I was just out to have fun and wished them a good evening in a way that would maintain some social proof. No one watching would know I'd been blown out that badly. Made up for it in the very next set that went well. My wing and I talked to them for 10-15 minutes before we exited, and then our instructor went and talked to them about how we did! They said we could have number closed in another 30 minutes, but I don't think it would have taken THAT long.

With all the crowded street sarging, I was using situational openers, and opening everything I saw. No fear, just fun. The instructor opened a couple of sets (number closed a blonde HB8.5 and was smooth to watch in action). I had one number close that was ironically after I was finished for the night (but is a PUA ever finished?). I spent a half hour trying to get a cab out a bit after 1 AM. There were no cabs. The whole city was trying to get home. I got opened by a drunk guy about sharing a cab. Turned out that he and his drunk girlfriend had a cute single female friend they were staying with that night in the same part of the city I was headed for. She was from Wales, and had an awesome accent that I loved. We spent the next 90 minutes walking out until we could get a cab. This almost killed me, as I'd picked up new shoes that morning and hadn't anticipated so much walking. I didn't say anything about it until she noticed me limping several miles into our death march. She gave me her number and suggested we have breakfast, but I didn't make it since I had to get back for day two of the workshop.The second night of the field work we hit some trendy bars in the Marina area. I didn't do as well here, and in part I think this had to do with my plan.

I wanted fewer, higher quality sets, and I wanted to work my routine stack which didn't feel natural yet. The crowded, louder enviroment was tougher. I didn't get blown out, but I also didn't feel like I hit any home runs. I did have a few nice experiences.

One thing Lance had talked about that day (there is a little bit of lecturing) were advanced problems to deal with that were hard to practice for. This one involved how to avoid interference (e.g., a girlfriend breaking into your set and telling everyone to come dance). The advice was about how to watch the eyes and body language to see when someone is coming up, and to greet the new person and immediately put them in your frame. I was with a seated girl, who I had seen with friends earlier but was alone when I approached. I knew when her friends came back, turned, greeted them, then returned to my target. They left us alone. It was cool. I was also exhausted relatively early, but had one of the instructors take me around and point out different sets and what you could read from their body language.

There were both group debriefings as well as individual debriefings. Our instructors on the last day gave us advice about what they thought each of us personally should be working on after the workshop.

Pickup 101 does do a bit of the hard sell on following up with their Art of Rapport workshop, which includes day game and direct approaches. Money, and especially time, is an issue for me right now, or I'd take it. Some of the guys who had taken both Art of Attraction and Mystery Method liked both workshops. They thought Art of Attraction would be better to start with, but that Mystery Method was great for pulling a lot of things together, and recommended both.

I liked my fellow classmates, my instructors, and Lance Mason.

I can highly recommend the workshop and it really made many things clear to me that I'd been unaware of, or didn't understand completely, from reading PUA ebooks and websites. These guys knew their stuff and could all approach and pickup easily and naturally. They never talked bad about any other competing workshops, and just went on their strengths.

If you want to focus on attraction and physical exercises, this is your workshop. If you want more theory and deeper understanding of the underlying principles and a bigger picture view, other workshops may be better.

View more about the workshop here, with dates and times.

Other products from Pickup101 include "Surefire Attraction Secrets" CD's, "Dress for Success" DVD's and e-books here that are kick ass! (There is also free hidden camera video's)

Where Should I Take Her On A Date? (Day2's)

Newsflash: Most women have been on hundreds of dinner dates. They aren't cheap, and they sure aren't that impressive to a woman who's been taken out to every restaurant under the sun.

Here's how to set yourself apart on a dinner date, and show her a completely original experience that she can't help but remember.

Number 10 - Take her where the action is

A great way to ensure a fun-filled date with a woman is to take her to an area where there's a lot going on. Trendy outdoor malls with funky shops and street performers are a sure hit; the entertainment is built into the experience, and just strolling around and talking makes for a fun and carefree date.

Number 9 - Take her on a night walk

Want to really blow her away? Do something she's never done or even thought of before, and take her on a night hike! Grab a bottle of wine, a couple of glasses and a blanket, and take her on a short hike to a place that has a nice view. If your originality doesn't wow her, the stars and the sights will.

Number 8 - Take her shopping

If you want to show a girl some fun without spending a lot of money on her, bring her along while you spend some money on you! Women love to shop, and what woman could resist being invited to accompany you while you buy some new threads? Just be sure not to "wuss out" when you get there. Ask for her opinion, but don't let her pick out all of your clothes.

Number 7 - Take her to the park

Bring out her fun, carefree side by taking her to a park to swing on the swings. Get behind her and push her for bonus points, then put her on the merry-go-round and spin her around gently.

Number 6 - Take her for a dog walk

Every girl loves animals (and those who don't will never admit to it). So for a great date, bring her along while you take your dog for a walk. This date is even better if you borrow a dog from a friend (you can tell her you're dog sitting) Bring along some treats and have her help you teach the dog some new tricks. When she sees how good you are with animals, she'll want you to teach her some new tricks as well!

Number 5 - Teach her something

If you can teach a woman something that she has always wanted to do you she will see you as "her hero" from day one! Take her surfing, teach her how to paint... or grab some boxing gloves and show her how to throw a punch. She'll remember you forever... and you're sure to have a blast.

Number 4 - Watch TV together

For a night of stimulating conversation, invite her over to watch the latest hot reality TV show. Most women love reality TV, and with all of the drama you'll be watching, great conversation is guaranteed. If you wish, you can also watch a movie.

Number 3 - Make dining unique

If you insist on taking her to a restaurant, don't take the dinner route. Instead, grab some dessert or take her to a place that serves up unique, exotic drinks. You'll spend less money, show her a new experience and, most importantly, you won't come off like you are "trying too hard."

Number 2 - Take her on a bike ride

For a guaranteed good time, take her on a bike ride. Make sure there are some good places you can stop on the way for a quick break, like a juice bar or a coffee shop. For bonus points, pick a great destination like a park or the beach, and bring along some crackers, cheese and wine to share. Do this right and the next stop will be your place (so long as she doesn't catch you making motorcycle noises).

Number 1 - Take her for a late-night dip

If you're feeling adventurous and you sense she might be up for some mischief, put together a "mission" to sneak into the pool area of a trendy hotel. If you get busted you'll have an awesome story to tell, and if you don't? You get to see her in a bikini!

So there you have it; 10 fun and frugal date ideas. You can then save your money for the future dates you'll book after she has so much fun on the first.

David DeAngelo is the author of the book Double Your Dating: What Every Man Should Know About How To Be Successful With Women, and several other products that can help men become more successful with women and dating.

Hidden Camera Pickup

A dating 'guru' has posted hidden camera video of some live pickup. I watched the video and it was pretty cool, good to see how the 'best' go at approaching women in the real world. You have to signup for his newsletter first to gain access however. I have been signed up for a month or so, and find his email's to be really insightful and valuable to read. Take a look.

Check it out here.

Oh... Body Language 'Experts!'

I found this article in Chicago Tribune "DECODING WOMEN: Learn to read their body language".

Read this part of the article and I'll comment after:

"Specifically, women will 'show off' their personal key points, particularly by using hand gestures," Quilliam said. " . . . A palm stroking her face is a literal pointer 'look at this.'"

Decoding body language also can help a man approach a woman who is standing with a pack of friends. "All single-gender groups will tend to close ranks on a stranger, and female ones are no exception," Quilliam said. "The bigger the group, the more likely you are to get blocked out."

Don't wiggle into the group by taking over the conversation or making a grand entrance. Instead, Quilliam recommended watching the group to see which woman is talking the most. "Follow her with your eyes and head direction, then gradually add in some quiet comments that will lead the group's attention to you."

If a woman isn't interested, she won't preen, but she still might send confusing signals. "In short, she feels a bit guilty for not being interested, so she may ... [unconsciously] smile, nod, move closer, in an attempt to compensate for the fact that she's not available," Quilliam said."

Doesn't your stomach just curl with sickness at this article? I mean, sure these are true ONLY after you've done the first stages of game, but not with the initial approach.

Judge not, she simply 'knows not!'

"Specifically, women will 'show off' their personal key points, particularly by using hand gestures," Quilliam said. " . . . A palm stroking her face is a literal pointer 'look at this.'"

I've found that for the majority of men who approach girls, will not start getting IOI's till after they have run A2. This is when you generate IOI's. "A palm stroking her face is a literal pointer 'look at this'" no shit! Obviously! How often does that happen without running game? Next to never on the existence meter. After running A2-A3 you'll start to notice her body shifting towards you, her paying alot more attention, especially if you 'lock in'. But before you do that? Yeah, we all know what used to happen. 'NEXT' they say...

Don't wiggle into the group by taking over the conversation or making a grand entrance... Follow her with your eyes and head direction, then gradually add in some quiet comments that will lead the group's attention to you.

First off this is a woman giving this advice. Probably unattractive... :) With high energy girls at clubs, or even during day-game, it's always best to come in with a grand entrance with something to back it up. ALWAYS.

The group will be thinking, "WHAT THE F&$K IS HE DOING, JUST STANDING THERE?"

Have you ever tried to follow her eyes with your head direction? Yeah. Exactly. Talk about making it hard for yourself. Why not just learn the proper way, instead of these arbitrary 'signals' that seem to happen 5% of the time.

Go over to Thundercat's site, and learn from the "Art Of Approaching" e-book, he explains all about the first initial body language, style, and what you can say to generate an engaging conversation. He also talks alot about 'group theory' and how approaching groups with a grand entrance, and taking over the conversation is the BEST thing to do, but only if you do it right.

Donovan

"Killer Tips" For Meeting Women Online

I managed to rumage through my emails to find this one from David Deangelo. It answers some of the questions from you that I've been getting about the Meeting Women Online program I featured... Enjoy.

I've been getting some VERY interesting feedback and questions about my Meeting Women Online program...

One of the questions that I'm getting a lot is:

"Do you show examples?"

The answer is YES.

In fact, let me tell you about a few of the "special features" that I include in this
program...

First, I had a woman run an online personal ad... and then I had her SAVE ALL THE RESPONSES for the first day or so. You're going to hear ALL of them, with my comments and feedback.

In this program, you're going to see what the "competition" is up to... and you're going to learn BY EXAMPLE what to do... and what NOT to do.

This one section will absolutely change the way you think about online dating... and it will prevent you from making some HUGE mistakes that you probably would have made otherwise.

Next, I took a sample of ads that men were running online, and I TORE THEM APART... live... "no holds barred" style.

Again, you're going to learn some VERY powerful lessons. You're going to see the PATTERNS that women see. You're going to see EXACTLY what other guys are doing wrong in their profiles.

More importantly, you're going to learn, again, BY EXAMPLE, what to do and not do.

Finally, with the help of one of my very talented guest speakers, we did live "personal ad makeovers", including taking NEW PICTURES.

You'll see the difference that a little bit of time and attention can make.

By the way, let me tell you a quick story.

A few days ago, I had lunch with a friend of mine.

As it turns out, this guy works in the "entertainment industry".

Translation: He works with models and actresses.

This guy literally spends all day meeting new, interesting, beautiful women.

And guess where he goes to meet women to date?

You guessed it: ONLINE.

Why? Because he says that it's so much EASIER meeting women on dating and networking sites... because the other guys DON'T GET IT.

I have to agree.

I've personally dated some amazing women that I met online.

I'm talking models, actresses, dancers... and everything in between.

Inside this program, a panel of expert guests and I are going to teach you the secrets to using what might be the world's greatest "Dating Invention"... the internet... to get all the dates you want... without rejection.



As usual, I'd like to send you a copy to try out for a month ON ME. I'll even pay the shipping to send it to you.

If you're not getting more dates starting IMMEDIATELY, just send it back and pay nothing.



I'm so convinced that this program will help you, that I'm willing to give you this "shameless bribe"... just to get you to try it.

Learn more about online dating, and meeting women online.

Your Friend,

David Deangelo

The Game, Bigscreen Adaptation

I found an article about the release of 'The Game' movie. For a book review of The Game click here.

A bigscreen adapation of Neil Strauss' book, "The Game," will be made by Michael De Luca and the Weitz brothers.

Chris Weitz is writing the script for Columbia Pictures.

The project is based on Strauss' undercover account of a community of pickup artists -- aka AFC's or "average frustrated chumps" -- trying to bed HB's (hot babes). The guru of the group is a man named Mystery, who dispenses advice on the art of seduction using the mantra "FMAC": find, meet, attract, close.

De Luca is producing with Chris and Paul Weitz. Andrew Miano is executive producing. Join us in the forum to talk about the film. Variety hosts further information.


Weitz brothers with Jason Biggs on set


Michael De Luca

Field Report And Being Process Not Outcome Orientated

Ok, last night I ended up making out with a brunette, 5'11 HB8, which a friend told me is "so hot" with long legs, skinny waist and huge assets.

The point of this post is not only for bragging rights because I'm still feeling the effects of the night, but also to elaborate on a point Mystery made in his Vegas seminar that I attended.

Being Process Not Outcome Orientated

When running game, being cocky and funny, throwing negs, in almost EVERY part of the game before the sexual relationship you need to be process orientated not outcome orientated.

What it means...

An example of outcome orientated would be "this woman is the girl for me, she's perfect and so hot!"

An example of process orientated would be "this woman is perfect practice for my "such and such" routine!"

The problem with outcome orientated gaming is that the girl FEELS that you WANT something, and you place way to much importance on one particular situtation and outcome. This is totally sending a vibe of NEEDINESS, even if only to her subconscious self.

The beauty of process orientated gaming is that she feels no NEEDINESS because you're trying to hone and shape you're routines, gambits, and normal conversation skills.

This is what I did with the HB8 last night. I've only hung out ONCE before and that was less than 1 hour.

I texted her, "What doing?"
She replied, "Watching american idol and feeling my brain turn to mush"
Then a second or so after, "Wuter u doin?"
I texted her, "Leaving campus, can I swing on by?"
She replied, "Sure"
I texted her, "Have some food ready!"

When I arrived she gave me the best 1hr massage I've gotten in so long, and what I felt was well earned on my part! :) I returned the favor with a 10 minute rub down. A few hours passed watching TV, Conan O'Brien etc, then I made her guess which of all my items in my wallet came from Australia. I said, if you guess correctly, I'll give you a kiss.

She had detectively narrowed the choices down to two credit cards over the last 10 minutes (both of which are Australian).

Then a few minutes later, we kissed and started making out.

Alot of the conversation banter I have used with her, was cocky funny. For a cocky and funny guide, nothing beats David Deangelo's e-book. You need to come up with your own, and make it natural. Some people use cocky and funny all the time... DON'T. This is insecure behavior. Use it as a spice, sparingly for added punch and effect.

Email me with sticking points, and I'll try and discuss them in upcoming posts!
Donovan

Beware The Flakes With Today's Solution

FLAKE REMORSE: Feeling like shiz because of flaking women and your now screwed up plans.

This saturday I had two dates (day2) with two different girls. Along comes Saturday night, and both have flaked. One an hour before, the other didn't return my call. I sat on my bed, thinking, what the hell did I do wrong?! I felt like the biggest loser, when no girls were returning my last ditch efforts for a hangout.

Well...

Along comes 6:45pm. Ring Ring on my cell phone. I get a call from Ms Afternoon Flake. So This Ms Afternoon Flake is like a 9/10, beautiful, fashionable 19 year old Texan. We'll she tells me how she fell asleep and started to ramble about her day. I interrupted and said, "What are you doing right now?" She said, I'm about to get ready for a date. I exclaim, "Just out of respect for me, you should cancel that date right now and come out with me."

Suddenly, I get a call from this half-Latino 7.5/10 girl that is very forward and most likely wanting a hookup. "My mum's calling from Australia, I'm gonna have to give you a call back Ms Afternoon Flake. Right when I'm on the phone with the half-Latino, I get another call from another girl. All this at once, with nothing throughout the whole day!

I call Ms Afternoon Flake back and she said she's now on the phone with her date for tonight. She said she'd call me back in 10 minutes. I wait 30 minutes, then decide to call her. Right as I do that, she calls me. So both our calls go to our respective voicemails. I call back and we share some funny moments.

She tells me that she's cancelled her date because the guy is acting creepy and wants to "DTR" determine the relationship after 4 dates. Eg. Boyfriend/Girlfriend status. After one kiss....

So...

Now I'm firm with her, "Ok, come over to my house you can give me a ride to my mates. You've got 15 minutes to be in your car DRIVING over here. Otherwise we will never HANG OUT EVER, we are TOO busy" She burst into laughter, "I can't believe you're talking to me like this. I'm hanging up on you!!" The line goes silent for a few moments, then we both laugh, and I said, "I knew you wouldn't!"

We hang up.

I text message her "HURRY, I'M TIMING YOU"

I get a call 10 minutes later with her outside my apartment, and I start the attraction/comfort building dialogue while we drive to my destination, and sit and park for 15 minutes.

It's amazing when all that seems lost, that if you just act cool and comfortable everything usually works out well.

I owe David DeAngelo's e-book for this Cocky & Funny approach. I defintely had enough of this girl, but rather than being mean or stupid, I acted like she OWED me now. The firm tone, and the incontrol attitude showed her that this was the way it was happening. It worked, with her responding much more positively. USE THIS SPARINGLY. (Nobody likes a bitter jerk)

Remember be fun, firm, and playful.

Till next time,
Donovan

Meet Neil Strauss

Neil Strauss & Lisa Leveridge

Read my exclusive interview with Neil Strauss (Style)!

In the seduction community, Strauss is known by the pseudonym "Style." Some in the seduction community referred to Neil, based upon his reputation for picking up exceptionally beautiful women. Later, when information about upcoming release of The Game spread across the seduction community, some considered Strauss a traitor, revealing the guarded secrets to general society and thus reducing their effectiveness (this view is not shared by everyone). Strauss abandoned his pickup artist's lifestyle and settled with a long-term girlfriend Lisa Leveridge, who played in the band Hole (Courtney Love).



At the end of 2005, Strauss passed his knowledge to 5 selected followers at a three-day seminar at his California home. During the event, many legendary personalities came across to share their knowledge, including Ross Jeffries, Steve Piccus, Mystery and Hypnotica.

In The Game, Strauss tells the tale of his transformation into "Style," a pickup artist under the tutelage of Mystery a guru widely known as "the world's greatest pick up artist". The book charts two years in his life. In addition to documenting his experiences with pickup artists like Mystery and Ross Jeffries, it also describes his interactions with celebrities including Britney Spears, Tom Cruise and Courtney Love. In promoting his book, Neil appeared on various TV shows, including ABC Primetime.

Neil Strauss media and links:
Neil Strauss Gives Tour of Project Hollywood (Video)
Neil Strauss On ABC Primetime Live! (Video)
Juggler and Neil Strauss (Video)
Neil's Latest Email: The Game Remains The Same
Neil Strauss and Jessica Alba
Neil Strauss, Before and After...
The Annihilation Method -- Revealed!!
The Annihilation Method Part II
The Annihiliation Method, Part III
Can You Approach Women Like Neil Strauss, Author of "The Game" Tonight?
Neil Strauss "The Game" Sample Chapter
Book Review "The Game" by Neil Strauss
Interview with Neil Strauss author of "The Game"
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How To Carry Conversation (Social Vibing)

Ever wondered what do to inbetween the lines, gambits, and cocky and funny? Here ya go.

This is reprint of the mASF post. Awesome stuff from Tyler Durden.

To me, this is a very important post.

Social Intelligence. Having struggled so hard to learn it, I have so much to say on this topic. In this post I'd like to specifically discuss social vibing and insecurity (a very focused, but important peice of the puzzle).

There are many subcommunications that are being telegraphed at all times in any interaction. Both verbal and non-verbal.

Social interactions have features and customs that I suppose are designed to make them pleasant.

As social animals, we have the attribute of actually enjoying socializing just for the sake of socializing.

We socially VIBE.

People who break the vibe are considered socially unintelligent, and despite being perhaps very good/worthwhile people, they will come across poorly.

Most people, once you get to know them, are really worthwhile. I've rarely met someone, who when put in a position where I was by circumstance made to get to know them, that I didn't come to like.

So what's the difference between someone who is COOL and someone who is UNCOOL?

The way that they COME ACROSS. Their level of social intelligence. Their ability to CONVEY it. TELEGRAPH it. SUBCOMMUNICATE it.

Understanding how to socially vibe telegraphs that you are secure with yourself. Failing to understand telegraphs insecurity.

Much of this post assumes that early game is now past, and you are in comfort building (if you use my PU model, if you are using Juggler's, for example, then this would apply from the very start because he is full rapport).


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LAUGHING AS VIBING:

Laughter is not only a stress relief mechanism. It's actualy a social mechanism.

Laughter basically shows that your social group is vibing well. Monkeys, while they can't talk like we can, still laugh when they are in rapport with each other.

Think to when you were telling a joke, and the group vibe was just so TIGHT. The people were starting to laugh before you'd even delivered the punch line. Maybe you said "I haven't even told the joke yet, and you guys are laughing". And they can't figure out why, and they laugh even more as you say this.

Also, think of how when you use cocky tactics, girls laugh/giggle. This is a sign that they are wanting to vibe with you.

The movie "Goodfellas", in the scene where Joe Pesci is telling jokes at the restaurant table, and everyone is laughing harder and harder. Ray Liotta can't stop laughing. It's not just the humour. It's the VIBE.

People who are not socially intelligent will LAUGH AT THEIR OWN JOKES. They laugh prior to the group starting to laugh.

Notice next time that someone laughs at their own joke first. Were you JUST ABOUT to laugh, but then didn't when they did first?

They were attempting to FILL IN THE RAPPORT GAP.

When the boss of an office tells a joke, everyone laughs. When the beta male tells it, he worries that nobody will, and laughs at his own joke to fill in the so-called rapport gap.

Concentrate on VIBING, and don't try to artificially push rapport.

Better, is to WAIT until the group laughs, and THEN laugh with them.

This gap is also seen when people say "right" after all of their sentences. They are trying to FILL IN the "right" that the other person SHOULD have said themself, IF THEY HAD been socially vibing properly.


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RHETORICAL SEQUENCING:

People, when talking, use weird (when you think about it) rhetorical sequencing. Here is an example:

A guy is excited that he got a cheap deal on a coat.


GOOD VIBING:

GUY: You'll never guess how much I got this coat for.
FRIEND: Wow.. Umm, 200$.
GUY: No man. 45$
FRIEND: Wow.. Nice man.


BAD VIBING:

GUY: You'll never guess how much I got this coat for.
FRIEND: Oh you got a deal. I guess 30$ then.
GUY: Umm, actually 45$
FRIEND: Oh.. well that's not bad.


Notice that the friend TELEGRAPHED SUBCOMMUNICATIONS of INSECURITY.

His thought process was: "I'll show GUY that I'm smart. I'm clever enough to pickup on the fact that if he said "You'll never guess what I paid", that he got a deal. Then I'll have shown him that I passed his test."

His INSECURITY caused him to miss out on the social vibing, which was intended to build excitement and wasn't a test at all.

The secure guy, although realizing that the coat was really cheap, would still guess something lower end, but still high enough that if the guy's deal wasn't as great as he thought, he'll still feel good. After all, its bought, so why worry about that stuff (UNLESS you seriously could hookup a massively cheaper deal and return the coat (which the socially intelligent guy would ascertain before even suggesting it), in which case the happiness derived from that would outweigh actually telling the guy that he didn't get the best deal).


ANOTHER EXAMPLE:

GOOD VIBING:

HB: I just got this crazy shirt. Look at it.
PUA: Wow.. Cute!


BAD VIBING:

HB: I jsut got tihs crazy shirt. Look at it.
PUA: Cool.. Hey you know in L.A. that shirt would be nothing. I should bring you there sometime.


ANOTHER EXAMPLE:

GOOD VIBING:

(Friend1 drives to Toronto for the first time with Friend2)

FRIEND1: Wow man, look at that building.. That rocks..
FRIEND2: Whoa.. That's pretty big dude.

BAD VIBING:

FRIEND1: Wow man, look at that building.. That rocks..
FRIEND2: Dude, that's cool.. But man, you should see NYC. Man, NYC KILLS this place.


(JLAIX: If you're reading this, who does this remind you of? HINT: His first name is *LERON*).

Again, with these examples, the person who is not vibing right does not get something: The purpose of the initial comment was NOT to ACTUALLY debate it. It was to SOCIALLY VIBE. The content was not the REAL communication. It was a surface for SUBCOMMUNICATION, which INTENDED to say "Let's have a nice time, and have rapport with eachother and relax."

The insecure and socially unintelligent person is taking the sentences of the first person, and FIELDING them as OPPORTUNITIES TO QUALIFY HIMSELF.


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HEIRARCHIES - ROLE IN SOCIAL INTERACTION:

We all get our moment in the sun at some point.

You'll notice, that when you are holding court, that sometimes people will be insecure with that.

The secure guy will recognize when its someone's turn to hold court, and not fight it.

A person who is secure will talk to ADD EMPHASIS to a point. He will not DISPUTE a point while someone is holding court. He knows that he'll have his chance LATER, and that right now someone is trying to get a point across.

Guys who are insecure will constantly dispute points whenever they see the opening. They view is at an opportunity to demonstrate their value.

They CANNOT RESIST the temptation.

For an example that everyone reading this can recoginze, look to this chatboard. Something tight will get posted. Insecure posters will nightpick semantics. Like "While this is important, its maybe an 8 out of 10 level importance. Not a 10 like you said." The secure poster, if he finds the level of emphasis on a level where its honestly misinformative, might post "I think that x,y,z are really good, man. I think that you might consider less emphasis on it though, because a,b,c are important as well. Good post though man, I like x,y,z"

ANOTHER feature you'll see on this board, and that is in the same vein, are THROWING LITTLE NEGS or TRYING TO COME OFF AUTHORITATIVE WHEN ITS NOT YOUR PLACE.

For example, you'll see guys trying to get rapport with someone they don't know by throwing little negs.

GOOD VIBING:
*OLD* FRIEND 1: Hey Stevo, you fucking bastard.. C'mere gimme a hug

BAD VIBING:
*NEW* ACQUAINTANCE: C'mere you fucker, help me out.

The second is BAD vibing, because he is trying to FORCE rapport with subcommunication that is only appropriate of old friends.

Similarly, you'll see guys who try to come off authoritative. You'll see it on the board, where a guy will post something quality, and someone who doesn't like him will post "That's very quality material. Good that you posted something of quality". It's like he's trying to come off authoritative. Like he realizes that he's negged on the guy on the chatboard, and he feels insecure that the guy he negged produced something worthwhile. So he has to come in and be all authoritative, like "I can show everyone that I recognize a good post". Guys in real life will see someone who they publically disliked starting to improve himself, and say things like "Good that you're improving. KEEP IT UP." By this, they are trying to CONTROL what is happening. They are trying to say "Improve, because *I*, the AUTHORITY, approved."

More on this... If you've ever ever ran a very good presentation at work or school, and you see an insecure person come up to you and criticize.

They don't realize its YOUR TURN TO HOLD COURT. Their turn is LATER.

So they throw little negs at you. Like they always have to offer advice on how you could have improved it. They can't just say "Good job man".

Or they have to nit-pick subtleties. Like they can't say "That was awesome". They have to first go over their advise on where you fucked up.

For a real life example that most guys on this board can recognize, when you meet up with another guy from the scene through PAIR, if he's insecure he'll do the following:

1- Talk about game non-stop, rather than PLAY.
2- Watch you do a set, and CRITICIZE on what could be improved, rather than encourage.
3- You tell him about something that happened, and he gives you ADVICE, rather than just listening.


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SOCIAL INTERACTION WITH "VIBING" AS THE PRESUPPOSITION, NOT "DISCUSSING AN ISSUE"

When socializing, a good vibe will be set when the reason for being there is to enjoy eachother's company.

However, sometimes a bad vibe can be set when the presupposition is that you're there for a SPECIFIC PURPOSE.

Of course, there is nothing wrong with purpose. It has a place, and more of my daily interactions have a purpose than those that are to socially vibe.

However, recognizing that tagging a set purpose to an interaction will often stop a nice vibe from occuring, will help with a pickup.

Insecure people will often LATCH onto a purpose for the conversation, as a way of maintaining it.

Then they'll leave on a "high note" once that purpose is exhausted.

This is a MAJOR cause of flaking. You maintained a conversation with a girl, but the presupposition was that you were discussing an issue. You left on the high note, but didn't realize that you were actually REINFORCING to the girl that you are not socially compatible.

When going to meet up with you again, she'll think "Well, we really have nothing more to talk about though. I don't want to have nothing to talk about, because that would feel unfortable"

As guys, we don't care. We might feel nervous that we'll have nothing to talk about, but we want sex. But girls, if the feel uncomfortable, they won't show up. That's one reason why guys who smoke pot get laid alot. Girls rarely flake on them, because they have that social presupposition that will give comfort. For the rest of us who don't smoke, we use SOCIAL VIBING rather than FORCED social interaction, to maintain comfort.

Clinging too strenously to a particular topic can come across insecure. When you say to a friend "Let's go have a beer", the subtext is "Let's go socially vibe". You don't go discuss an issue, and say "Let's reconvene later". You go and you chill. You have a FRIENDSHIP. Non-party-chicks rarely flake on guys they have both attraction AND friendship with. But they do flake on guys who attract them, tongue them down, and say "Give me your #."


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PRACTICAL FEMALE INTERACTION:

In summary, how does this apply in practical terms?

Most of it comes in, during comfort building phase. Or if you use a different PU model than I do, then its when you're getting to know the girl either way.

1) Don't crack jokes to the girl, and laugh at them before she does. Wait. You'll notice that it sometimes takes even 10-15 seconds for a joke to process. But it DOES. I usually bust on her for it "Oh, slow processing time.. That's OK, you're my little sister.. I didn't adopt you for your brains"

Also, don't say "right" after everything. It can come across beta. Right?

2) When a girl is trying to impress you, RECOGNIZE it as her QUALIFYING herself. If you reject it, you'll come across insecure, or socially unaware.

This is DIFFERENT than the C&F stuff early, where you break rapport on purpose. In fact, much like how the "25 Points to not trying too hard" assumed that you were in EARLY GAME, this post to some extent at least assumes you are PAST early game.

SHARE her excitement by recognizing rhetorical social sequencing.

3) Recognize when its your turn to talk, and when somebody else is being focused on.

MUCH MUCH of the mid/later game is the chick qualifying herself to you.

Because our pickup model encorporates alot of not trying, you'll notice your best pickups (with NON-party-chicks at least) are with the ones who at some point EARN your attention.

They perceive that they've WON your interest, and plan to COLLECT THE PRIZE (your dick in their mouth).

4) If a girl tells you about a problem, just LISTEN and change her emotion. Say "Ouch, that's sounds tough.. But hey, you're a powerpuff girl, and you know you're to fiesty to let this stop you.. Let's check out x,y,z"

Definetely don't offer advice. If she wants advice, she'll say "WHAT SHOULD I DO?" Unless someone asks me what to do, I rarely offer advice. OR, I say "You know i have experience with this, so maybe later you can ask me about it."

5) Focus on SOCIALLY VIBING and don't CLING TO TOPICS. This will prevent flaking, and make her feel comfortable around you.

Don't leave on a high note. THERE IS NO HIGHNOTE. There is only vibing and flipping the switches that she needs to have switched in order to fuck you.

OK retards, that's it. Cool post, RIGHT? HAHAHAHHAHAA..

-TD

SOCIAL INTERACTION WITH "VIBING" AS THE PRESUPPOSITION, NOT "DISCUSSING AN ISSUE"

Key to all geekiness ... :)

haa, I like that analysis - I agree completely.

It's true, geeks need a presupposition to hang out. Interesting. I think I'm a natural geek, for sure.

Thanks for all the great feedback. I thought the guys' answers to the questions that were given were really bang on, and covered my bases.

I suppose this sort of approach is the "external" way of coming at the problem.

The other way of course would be the "internal" way, which would mean improving your inner game so that you're not needy and you're not insecure.

I think that inner approach is great and has alot of value.

At the same time, the externally focused approach is what solved my internal issues, because once I figured out the points of how internally-balanced people acted, I got laid and then started to feel better internally.

Like one thing I like to do with newbs is tell the girls from the set I'm in that they have to tongue him down and grab his dick, or I'll leave and blow them off. Or I'll tell a girl from a 2set that if her friend isn't warm to my friend, I'll leave because he's bored. The girls do this, and then the newb walks around strutting like he's the man for the rest of the night. Then he PU's another separate chick on his own, gets MOMENTUM, and it snowballs. These are extreme cases of the externally focused approach, but just focusing on the mannerisms of successful guys can do the same.

At the same time, for alot of guys they really need internal work. Like no success will fix them internally. So I think that both approaches are great.

I know Twentysix is now running great game, and he did both externally focused stuff (going out 4 nights a week), as well as seeing a psychologist.

Tyler Durden

Meet Wayne Elise

In the fast-emerging community of seduction, Wayne Elise (Juggler) is a relative old-timer. He was the second person to begin teaching infield workshops way back in 2001, and many of his ideas are the underpinnings of the modern seduction movement. (He has since gone on to 'post-modern' seduction.) He has trained many of the top people in the field who have become popular trainers themselves.

Wayne Elise aka Juggler

Wayne has worked a few other jobs besides teaching. If you know where to look you can still spot him occasionally performing on the streets as a busker and in the clubs as a comedian. A bit of a recluse, his advice and trained eye have also made him sought out by comedians, magicians and variety performers as a special director where he helps to reshape their acts to connect with audiences better, stronger and faster. Although he likes to be thought of as a regular guy, many who have met him consider him one of the world's most interesting conversationalists, and of course he is a master flirt.

Going by the moniker 'Juggler' he became involved in the seduction community in 2000 by typing up advice in his spare time onto seduction websites. These postings were often short (a result of his then nonexistent typing skills) and completely eye-opening.

A three page question might get a one line answer, 'Don't ask her so many questions,' 'Seduce them both,' 'Wear something red,' 'Combine compliments with commands.' A page-long Juggler post became a collector's item. It didn't take long until people wanted to learn 'Juggler Method' in person.

After taking a year and a half off Wayne returned to the seduction community in 2004 and is enjoying, once again, helping men improve their skills with women. He lives in Ann Arbor Michigan, likes 'cheesy' Barry Manilow music and travels way too much.

Wayne was mentioned in Neil Strauss's book "The Game", and currently runs Charisma Arts, teaching men how to become more successful in social interactions.

From a newspaper article about Wayne's appearance at the Cliff List Seminar in 2005:

"There's a big schism within the seduction community," says Wayne "Juggler" Elise, who started Charisma Sciences in Ann Arbour, Michigan, four yeas ago, and now has four employees. "You've got some NLP guys, others like [Toronto-native seduction guru] Mystery, who use 'can openers'- which are little stories they tell. I try the natural approach," meaning less of a reliance on special tricks and head games.

Elise says the typical guy becomes an adherent "after a breakup or after taking a girl out on three dates, spending lots of money on her and then being told she just wants to be friends."

It takes about three months to overcome bad habits, according to Elise. "The most common mistake is trying to be too safe, too conservative, caring too much about our success," he says. "Guys get too careful as each girl means too much to him." Elise also advises against button-downs and loafers. "I tell guys to dress a little crazier. Women see that and it lets them be crazy too, and express that part of themselves."

As in life, the searing pain of ego injury is a challenge. "Never take rejection personally," says Wayne Elise. "She's not reacting to your real person. She's reacting to her experience of being approached by every guy in the last 10 years."

And if all else fails: "Pretend you're Colin Farrell. He's so himself, he doesn't care about how people perceive him."

Get Wayne Elise's eBook at Charisma Arts

For other related posts about Wayne Elise (Juggler) visit:

• Wayne Elise eBook Review
  
• Watch Wayne Elise In Seduction School (Video)
  
• Christian (Charisma Arts Manager) Seduction Master's Interview
  
• Neil Strauss and Wayne Elise Book Signing Video
  
• How To Talk To A Woman On The Phone
• Neil Strauss and Wayne Elise On SexTV

Wayne Elise wrote a chapter in Neil Strauss's book, "The Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists". This blog is your number one resource of information about Neil Strauss and Wayne Elise.

Successful Online Dating With Some Of The Pitfalls!

Oh online dating...

I think I started to explore the dynamic world of online dating back in 2000 or so.

It was a fairly lame encounter, and I got some pretty crappy responses... then again there was a lot to my profile that reeked of AFCness. My photo's weren't like they are now, and my 'knowledge' wasn't at the level it is now.

Skip six years ahead now...

I attend college, and one of the most valuable resources I have for meeting girls is through this medium which is the Internet. It's literal dynamite!

If any of you are college students (probably about 10% of you), then you know the site I'm talking about. (No, not myspace) Although I have met some hot girls via that recently.

On a side note, this HB8.5, 5'10 blonde will be coming up from California soon to see me. That should be a great experience, and I'm actually alittle nervous.

I noticed that most of my dates now come via an online interaction, not because I can't approach women in the field, but simply because of it's sheer convenience. It's like comparing a buffet to random finger picking food. Online you can have some much leverage with so little investment. (Once you know how...)

A month ago, you might have remembered the South African model I dated for a few weeks. We'll... I met her ONLINE. We had ONE friend in common, so I started with a brief opener of "Do you know blah blah at blah high school." Then it started... (Read about "Along came a model..." Link )

One word of warning however...

Some girls are particuarly anal about personal details.

For some reason they can give out their lifelong goals, personal experiences, among other things, but if you ask where they live (eg. general area) they sometimes on occasion get freaked out. Such an occasion last night. (This has only happened ONCE)

I had conversed with this HB7? woman for a week or so, brief messages, and we had TWO friends in common. I asked in passing, "Where about's do you live?" She said, "Don't take offense, but I don't give out personal information." I just said, "Eh, Don't worry." I'll probably never speak to her again.

Having dated numerous women via online using these similar techniques, I found it not offensive, but just lame that she would be that defensive. Defintely a damper on her personality, and conversational skills. (If she would have said, "You'll find out soon enough... where do you live?" That would have been cool) Especially considering we are friends with more than one friend. What made it more of a hit to my ego, is that she wasn't even that hot...

Having said all that, that was just ONCE.

Now for a short plug!

David Deangelo's Meeting Women Online program is the BEST program for this subject. He features special guest speakers like Neil Strauss (Style), among others that are well-known among the community. (who actually expounds on the whole process of the the infamous "Cube" technique) Awesome.

It's on DVD, or AUDIO CD, and has video clips on the website to preview. You can view them here.

My online dating has skyrocketed since viewing the program. It's not just ONLINE, but also gives you a great foundation for alot of other conversation banter, and making yourself more interesting overall.

Check out the pics below.





Speakers include David Deangelo, the other David's, Neil Strauss (Style), Craig, and a tonne of others.



As for me... I'm in love with online dating, it is simply another avenue to meet more women while you are out there in the field picking up.

Why not have lots of options?

Donovan

Meet David Deangelo

David Deangelo

David DeAngelo is a leading dating advice expert based in the United States. He has applied various schools of thought, psychological theories and his own experiences and opinons in his "Double Your Dating" products. Originally a student of Ross Jeffries and using the nickname Sisonyph, DeAngelo's ideas were first widely published and publicized in the underground seduction newsletter called Cliff's List.

DeAngelo's commercial career began with the release of his first book "Double Your Dating" in 2001. Since then, he has released many products aimed at helping men become successful with women and dating.

According to DeAngelo, women do not feel attraction to men consciously, instead dating and forming romantic relationships with men to whom they are attracted unconsciously. Furthermore, while some believe that good looks are what attracts women to men, DeAngelo disagrees, arguing that physical features have very little to do with attraction. One of DeAngelo's favorite lines is: "Attraction isn't a choice".

Because most men are unfamiliar with what causes attraction according to DeAngelo, women dictate when and where relationships are formed. Furthermore, since attraction is unconscious, DeAngelo claims, attempting to appeal to women using reason will therefore be unsuccessful. DeAngelo implores men to become successful by taking charge and shifting the balance of power from women to themselves.

DeAngelo often uses simplified terms in his material to describe both "incorrect" and "desired" male behavior.

Some of these include:

The Inner Wuss: a character trait of men developed through time that causes them to become submissive around women in order for them to get the women's approval. DeAngelo claims that women prefer men who will stand up to them (see also: Nice guy syndrome).

Status: a perception of how important a person is to society. DeAngelo believes that most of status is determined by a man's actions, and that men should learn to communicate higher status as a means of attracting women. He claims that communicating higher status to a woman creates attraction.

Confidence: a loosely-defined term used to describe the outward reflection of men who have high status (see above). While some define the term as being happy with one's life and circumstances, DeAngelo uses it more often to describe those who may not be completely happy with their lives but are not rattled by unfortunate events and women's "tests".

Cocky and funny: describes a technique that involves making socially inappropriate, arrogant and humorous comments at certain times in a conversation.

Counterintuitive behavior: DeAngelo's description of some of his techniques to attract women, as they are the opposite of what most people think is attractive. Examples of such behavior include teasing a woman offhandedly and refusing to compliment her appearance.

Life changes: DeAngelo reiterates that the purpose of his programs is to effect a complete personality and lifestyle change among men that will help them achieve romantic success. He, and many of his followers, state that they disapprove of men who utilize his teachings for physical pleasure only.

Emulate the Successful: DeAngelo encourages the following and emulation of those successful with women. Interviews with those very successful (who have usually changed their dating lifes completely) are available for purchase.

Related David Deangelo links:
Double Your Dating eBook
Meeting Women Online Program
Cocky and Funny Program
What People Think of David Deangelo

How To Increase A Woman's Desire For You

QUESTION OF THE WEEK:

Dave,

You are a saint. A giant among insects... Ok, maybe not, but it gets through the obligatory ass-kissing since you have helped me so much. Let me begin...

I've had my eyes on this particular girl for quite some time, and I could tell she was already into me quite a bit, but we had never made anything of it. Last week, she decided to "be bold" and ask ME out, instead of the other way around (you can see I'm already doing something right). She asked if I wanted to go see a movie some time; instead of freaking out and jumping at the chance, I said I'm rather tired of this whole 'movie date' thing. If she wanted to get me, she was going to have to be a little more creative. She was rather shocked and felt somewhat rejected. Later in the conversation, we were got to talking about this stalker (wussy who needs a life) that seems to be in love with her, and she hates him. He had asked her if she wanted to accompany him to a football game the next night that they both were already going to.

She said she really wished that I would come with her so this guy would leave her alone. I thought, "Ok. This will be my good deed for the year." and said I would go. She ends up driving me to the game. Upon arrival, she just HAD to braid her hair, and asked me to wait around while she did so. I stood there for a second, and then walked off. She started yelling at me to wait; I simply replied, "I'll see you inside the gate." waved and walked off. Once inside, I didn't see her come in, but soon felt someone grab my butt (it was her). We went on into the stadium, she soon saw someone she knew and went to talk to them, dragging me along. I stood around for a second, then wandered off, since I had seen someone I knew as well. She comes to find me soon, and we go off to our seats. Her stalker had seen us as we were going to our seats and decided to stay with us for part of the night.

She began talking to him, and I did my own thing. I wandered off numerous times throughout the night and generally acted very secure and like I didn’t need a thing in the world (especially her!). Following the game, as we walked back to her car I could tell that she wanted me badly due to some things she had been saying. She drove me back to where my car was waiting and we talked for twenty minutes or so in her car. There was some hand holding and such going on during the conversation. She said, "You know we're just going to end up making out - you're just delaying the inevitable." Bingo. I shrugged it off, and we continued talking. About ten minutes later, she said, "It's getting late; I really should be getting home." Obviously a ploy to get things started, as it was only 10:15 PM. I shrugged it off, again. A few minutes pass, and she says, "It's late, I really need to go." I say, "Alright." I open the door and get out of the car. She says, "Where are you going?" I reply nonchalantly, "I just don't think you want it badly enough yet." Score #2. I walk off to my car; she immediately jumps out of the car and begins walking to my car as well. I get to the car and put the key in the door and she sticks her leg in front of the door with this defiant attitude. I say, "You know, I've never been raped in an empty parking lot before..."

You can imagine what went on from there... J

Thanks Dave.

Now, on to the questions: First, now that I've used my best line ever ("I just don't think you want it badly enough yet."), do you have any suggestions on what to do and say next time to create that same anticipation/desire in her?

Also, you always say that I need to be the first to end the conversation, but many of the girls that I am interested in are somewhat sporadic and tend to call, IM, etc. when they don't have a lot of time. Quite often, they are the ones to end the conversation before I have a chance to. How do I take this? Should I just reply, "Alright. I'll catch you later." Acting like I could care less?

D. Knoxville, TN

MY COMMENTS:

Great story.

I'm sure that anyone reading this would say "Yea, but she already liked you"... I wish you would have told the story from the beginning, because I'll bet you MADE her like you with more of the same type communication that you described here.

The one thing that you clearly understand here is how SEXUAL TENSION works.

You understand how to take a small spark of desire from her and AMPLIFY it until it's literally EXPLOSIVE.

If you keep amplifying and letting the tension build with a particular woman, this is the kind of result you'll get... and she will LOVE you for it.

Bravo!

Things like making her come up with a more "interesting" date idea, walking away from her when other guys would have clung to her, shrugging off her comments about the two of you getting together, etc. are the magic ingredients.

Most guys DESTROY all the sexual tension at every possible opportunity... they take every chance they can to SCREW THINGS UP, because they don't know better...

The fact is that most men just don't UNDERSTAND how women get turned on.

And most men don't understand that if you really want a woman to WANT you, then you NEED to get her turned on. It's not going to happen by itself.

Here's another interesting aspect of that thing called ATTRACTION:

The bigger the challenge you are, and the more intense the sexual tension, the more aroused a woman will become... so that when you finally do connect physically it's pure electricity.

Again, most men can't HANDLE sexual tension. They feel uncomfortable when the situation isn't "clear cut", and they screw things up.

One of the things you mentioned doing was "shrugging off" her obvious "come ons" to you.

This kind of thing makes no sense to most guys.

But it makes sense to me.

And it made a LOT of sense to HER.

When a woman throws out a sexual comment, etc. most guys screw it up. That's because they don't know the SECRET about these types of comments.

When you're a major challenge, it naturally means that she's not IN CONTROL of the situation.

Attractive women are USED to being in control, so when they're NOT in control, they get agitated. It really bothers them.

So they TEST. They use all kinds of interesting tricks and tactics to see if you're just FAKING like you're actually in control of yourself and the situation.

One of the most obvious tests is throwing out a sexual comment.

She might mention that she loves sex, or that she thinks you guys have a chance of "hooking up", or some other "tease".

But make no mistake about it, these comments are not at all the innocent remarks that they appear to be.

She's watching VERY closely to see if you'll take the bait.

It's a woman's last resort when she feels like she isn't controlling the situation to see if you'll crumble to SOMETHING. -- If you say something like "Really? You think we're going to hook up? That would be cool" she KNOWS SHE'S IN CONTROL.

If you say "Yea, you think so? I don't know, I'm not that easy..." then it just dials up the tension, mystery, and challenge.

OK, so you've asked me a couple of questions as well...

What should you do NEXT time you see her to keep the tension building...?

Well, if something works, KEEP DOING IT.

If she enjoyed it the first time, do it again.

This time wait a little longer. Make her think about it a little bit more.

Women LOVE anticipation. They love to feel the rush that something is going to happen... but not know WHEN.

If you REALLY want to take things to the next level, take a page from popular movies and romance novels.

Don't just kiss her. Kiss her PASSIONATELY.

Pull her body into yours as you kiss her.

Then push her away and say "You're bad!".

Stop for awhile. Make her think about it. Then start again when she isn't expecting it.

These are the types of things that make women think about you all the time when you're gone... and call you in the middle of the night because they want to see you. Really.

Most men are so damn BORING when it comes to this stuff! They do NOTHING to make a woman FEEL the powerful feelings that she's always wanted to feel.

You be the one to do it, and you'll be the one she always wants around.

Your second question was about ending calls and conversations first.

The REASON why you should end all conversations and other interactions with women first is that it conveys a clear message:

"I'M A BUSY GUY. I HAVE A LIFE."

It turns YOU into the one that's desirable.

Most guys cling, and try to keep a woman on the phone for a long time. They desire a woman's attention and approval, and they make it clear that this is what they're after.

Of course, this only demonstrates pure WEAKNESS to an attractive woman.

And weakness (or Wussness) isn't ATTRACTIVE.

If you run into a woman who's always on the run, don't let it get to you. To put it
differently, don't become obsessed with her just because she's never available!

The answer is to just take things to the next level.

Here's a GREAT little technique...

An amazing and simple way to handle this kind of thing is to just say "OK, bye" without any other comments.

She says "I have to go, my friends are waiting for me outside". Just say "OK, bye" and SHUT UP.

80% of the time, she'll say "No, wait! I'm just really busy, call me in a few days" etc.

You can't "kind of" do this.

You have to be READY.

She's TESTING you by playing hard to get. It's a game. Have fun with it.

As soon as she says "I have to go, my laundry is in the dryer", you SHOOT back "OK, bye" in a VERY abrupt tone and SHUT UP.

It will create a funny, uncomfortable silence for just a second.

Most of the time, she'll say something in a tone of voice that says "That was weird", and then she'll give some kind of explanation or ask you why you were so short with her.

Of course, this is a great opportunity to bust her balls and create some fun banter.

Again, you'll often have her say something like "I'm really busy right now. I'm sorry. Call me tomorrow and let's do something". At this point, you can say "Yea, if you're lucky. Bye!".

Not cold. Not mean. Just short and to the point.

Then, when you call her next, it was HER that asked for the call.

You get to call up and say "Well, last time we talked you were begging me to call you... and I felt so bad for you that I finally broke down".

What we're talking about here is DESIRE... and more importantly, INCREASING IT.

In most interactions with women there is an opportunity to SPARK the chemistry... the sexual tension... the desire... and then there are many opportunities to AMPLIFY that desire.

But here's the BAD news:

If you do not understand all of the little steps from the first meeting to the bedroom, and know exactly how to smoothly progress from one step to the next, then you're going to keep failing with women.

It's that simple.

If you DO understand all of the steps, and you know EXACTLY what to do in order to smoothly transition from one to the next, then you are MUCH more likely to succeed.

One of the most IMPORTANT steps is controlling your own emotions. If you're nervous and freaked out, then you'll make her nervous.

We humans can SMELL fear and nervousness... and women are the best at it.

I'm telling you, I used to have no clue about attracting women... but now that I do, I can date any type of women I want. And it's a damn good feeling.

And if you'd like an introduction to my main concepts, then you need to go download and read my online eBook "Double Your Dating". You can download it right now and be reading it within a few minutes. It's here:

Double Your Dating 2nd Edition

I'll talk to you again soon.

Your Friend,

David D.

Listening to Her Kiss To Explode Attraction

When you go in for the kiss, cup her face in both of your hands so that your palms are gently cradling her jaw line and your thumbs are just in front of cheek bones.

(You can also place your hands further back with your thumbs just in front of her ears if that's more comfortable for you.)

This allows you to contour her face and guide it where you want her to go.

This helps to avoid the possibility of kissing her too hard and too fast, which is akin to smacking her in the teeth.

C'mon, you know we have all done it. =D

In our rush to get the kiss we move too fast, or are unsure of our distance, timing and pressure and suddenly --- BANG!

Your loving lip lock turns into a less than exciting clash of the molars!

Now when you deliberately move her face in toward yours, I want you to look her in the eyes and slowly close your eyes as you gently bring her face to yours. I want you to touch her lips to yours as lightly as you can and I want you to sense and pay attention to several things...

This takes practice to get good at but once you do... She's yours!

Here's what you PAY ATTENTION to during the kiss:

--How much pressure is she using to kiss you?
--Is she pressing her lips hard against yours, soft?
--What kind of force is she exerting with her lips?

Also, notice the configuration of her lips for the kiss:

--Is she a fish kisser?
--Does she open her mouth very wide?
--Does she keep her lips close together?
--Pay attention to what she is doing to you!

Kiss her gently and allow yourself to feel how she is kissing you.

This is key! Don't focus on kissing her! Focus on how she is kissing you! (Ladies,
the same goes for you)

This is a concept I learned from "Tai Chi Push Hands" called "listening." Its the
ability to sense and interpret subtle changes in pressure and energy through your sense of touch -- in this case via your lips.

Here is where "listening" meets "projection" to create her perfect kiss! Here's how it works!

Remember, she already has an internal checklist of what a kiss is supposed to feel like for her. By paying attention to the way she kisses you then kissing her back exactly the same way, you validate her model how things work, demonstrate you are just like her and you perfectly fire off all the signals that tell her mind body and emotions its okay to go to the next level.

In hypnosis we would call this "pacing and leading."

Now Lets Sweeten the Deal a bit...

Once you have matched her particular style of kissing and you're effectively doing
it back to her the same way, you can start to direct her a bit more.

The act of kissing her the way she kisses you dramatically deepens the sense of
"connection" and "rapport" she is going to have with you. Continue to pay attention
to her responses. Think in terms of simply wanting to give her pleasure and paying
attention to her responses.

Once you have matched her kissing style you now have a couple of choices:

You can continue to kiss the way she does...

OR

You can slowly begin to alter your method of kissing and see if she responds by
following you.

When she follows you by changing her way of kissing you now have more freedom to
play.

I go far more in-depth about kissing and creating massive sexual pleasure in your
partner inside my home study course "Secret Orgasm Tips."

You won't find this information in any book store. Hell, you won't even find it
anywhere else on the INTERNET!

Why?

Because this information is just too good, and stems from my 15 years of experimentation and refinement of these techniques.

The simple fact of the matter is that if you want to be a great lover and experience true sexual ecstasy with your partner, you need to pick this home study course up today.

You can download it and be learning all my dirty little tricks and secrets in just a
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But hurry. I don't know how much longer I'll keep this information available. It's
just too good!

Yours,
The Master

Friday Night

Hey guys, I'm writing to you before I head out for the night to meet some new fun women.

If you're not planning to go out tonight, disregard that, and GO OUT! Get some friends together, or go by yourself and approach atleast TWO women tonight. Don't try anything fancy just get out there, if your not planning on it. This will help you get on the way...

Donovan

Sexual Awareness And Calibration

The ability to read a woman's physiology will often tell you where she is on the continuum of sexual arousal. (The same is true for men, except men are a little easier to read)

I'm such a believer in this one super master skill that if I could teach you nothing else but how to do this, you would still be a better lover than 99% of your partner's former (and future) lovers.

Why is this you might ask?

BECAUSE EVERY PERSON IS DIFFERENT, AND IF YOU PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT WORKS WITH INDIVIDUALS, YOU CAN TAILOR YOUR LOVEMAKING TO SUIT THEM PERFECTLY!

This is the difference between buying a car right off the assembly line, and getting one custom-built to suit your wants and needs.

You want to customize your lovemaking to suit your partner's wants and needs.

And you do this by: PAYING ATTENTION.

Ask yourself...

Does she quiver when you brush her on a certain place?

Does he start to breathe heavier when you kiss him on the neck?

Do her muscles tighten when you lick her somewhere?

Does he like to take it slow, or is he revving to go?

You must step back and notice these little tale-tell signs your partner gives you.
And once you find what is working...

KEEP DOING IT.

If you want to learn all the cool little tips and tricks you can perform once you
have this skill down, then be sure to check out the special "Secret Orgasm Tips Home
Study Course".

You can buy it discreetly and be listening to it in minutes. But I don't know how
long I'll keep it available, because I don't want this information getting too
widespread.

You can find it here:

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Use it wisely,

"The Master"

Pick Up Artist Reality Show?

Courtesy of Asian Playboy...

Watch the trailer...



Donovan

Neil's Latest Email: The Game Remains The Same

It was a delight speaking to Neil at the Las Vegas Mystery Method seminar. Great experience. It's always good to get emails from him:

I was talking to a writer who was working on a now-controversial story in this week's Village Voice about The Game. Part of it had to do with a blogger named Dolly who had read the book and caught a pickup artist using the lines in a bar. Later that night, she made out with him nonetheless.

So it made me think: I've received hundreds of emails from guys fretting that if the book or the community get too well-known, the game won't work anymore.

So I did some thinking about that.

First of all, everyone knows how to diet, but not everyone does it. Most of the people who read about these ideas and techniques won't actually put them into action. (Instead, they'll procrastinate by writing letters worrying about too many people finding out about the techniques.)

The fact is, the game will always work. It's just that some of the wording to the scripts may have to change -- and that's only for those who use the scripts for "training."

For example:

What's one of the most cliché pickup lines in the world?

The corniest, cheesiest one?

That's right: It's "What's your sign?"

If you walk up to a girl and say, "What's your sign?" she'll know you're delivering a rehearsed pickup line from some bad 70's TV show.

But guess what? "What's Your Sign" is almost exactly like the openers and DHVs (demonstrations of higher value) in The Game.

There was a point when "What's your sign" was not a corny way to start a conversation. It was a non-sexual opener: a means of breaking the ice with strangers without hitting on them. It was a current topic, exciting and interesting. (As Mystery once put it, the best subjects for conversations are relationships and the unknown.) Furthermore, it was a way of demonstrating value. Instead of saying "let's ball" (or whatever the lingo was at the time), you were showing that you were spiritual and had interesting knowledge to offer.

In the parlance of the seduction community, it was a neutral entertaining opener with DHV spikes built in.

And, sure, we all know it's outdated and cheesy. But isn't it extraordinary how a few minutes into seventy percent of all conversations with women, a discussion of astrology ensues? She'll probably ask you, "What sign are you?" And if you know a lot about astrology, it's actually a demonstration of higher value.

(Note to logical, empirical, factual men: Don't say, "I don't believe in that bullshit." Cynicism and negativity are two traits to avoid when meeting a woman, even if you think they make you seem "cool.")

When I was researching the book, I spent hours in Miami with a PUA named Maddash, who gave me a long tutorial on astrology. He taught me what all the signs meant, what the twelve houses were all about, how to identify astrological trends in people's lives, and how to determine sign compatibility.

Whether or not I believed in astrology was immaterial: I now knew a lot about it. And it made for great conversation, connection, and value when I was meeting people.

So the epiphany I had was: "What's your sign" STILL WORKS. It will always work.

Everything will always work. If people find out about it, all you have to do is change the way you say it and perhaps when you say it.

For example, if saying, "Hey guys, I need a quick opinion on something" telegraphs that you're delivering a pickup line because the women read about it in a magazine, no worries. Just change it to: "I need some quick help settling a debate." If opinion openers don't work anymore, save the question for later in the conversation. I already have three other types of openers I've come up with that I'm waiting for the right time to release. And if I can come up with alternatives, I've got a feeling YOU can too.

In the bigger picture, the thing that's important to remember is: There is no such thing as a pickup line. The language and wording don't matter. What's important is the intent behind them. The Jealous Girlfriend opener works not because it's the Jealous Girlfriend opener, but because it's a way to start an animated conversation with a group of people without hitting on anyone. So as long as you can always do that, you've got nothing to worry about.

Knowledge will not change the fundamentals of how women and men are attracted to each other. To make a bad comparison: Guys who like big breasts tend to be into women with fake breasts; it doesn't even matter to them that they're NOT REAL. They still flip the same attraction switches that natural ones do.

In the world of mating, perception is reality. And attraction, in the words of David DeAngelo, is not a choice.

Yours,
Neil

PS Coming up next time: C-shaped smiles versus U-shaped smiles EXPLAINED. Yes, I've been reading your letters!

Approach Anxiety

Alot of anxiety can come from pickup, especially when approaching a woman for the first time.

Seriously. (Until you start talking to them, and you start feeling totally at ease)

It seems to me that as soon as you start to feel that tug in your stomach is when you should be approaching. Hence the 3 second rule.

But something inside of my head, disqualifies her, "She's probably a slut", or "She's too busy", or "I don't want to be rude and interupt her".

When realistically Mystery said, "It's a effing privledge to be hit on my a pick up artist."

He also said, "I hate the approach!" and, "It's the worst thing in life, but I love the ladies!"

So guys, it's a rather short post today. Get out of the comfort zone, start approaching, because the anxiety will never FULLY go away. It's there for a reason.

EMBRACE IT!

Learn to control the approach, and thrive off that MASSIVE TUGGING AT YOUR HEART STRINGS feeling. It will become addictive soon enough...

There are many resources for controlling the approach, such as the Mystery Method e-book, and Art of Approaching. Art of Approaching I've found to personally help me because it gives me numerous solutions to typical approaching problems, such as: situational openers, opinion openers, etc. It helps you to become dynamic and come up with your own instead of reling on "canned material".